black_z

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Im converting first thing in the spring, I have unlimited dyno time so i will play around with the PE AFR/timing a lot. All I need is a set of 42 lb injectors. BTW 92 octane is ~2.30 around here right now, E85 is about 1.75, and there are stations everywhere.

black_z

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Runn, did you change the injector pulse width at all?

Runn

I have lowered the short pulse limit, from 4 to 3. I have some funny values in the VE-table on decel but i havn´t been able to fix them, Lowering the pulsewidt didn´t help. I didn´t have any problems with stock injectors and E85 so it must be something with the Bosch green tops that i havn´t figuered out yet.

02trns_am

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E85 is probably going to be higher priced and harder to find in most states than 93 for now at least...but in the long run when more plants are producing it and more stations selling it there is no way that it can be higher priced that 93. So I'm figuring it would be a wise decision in the long run to have a car that runs off of E85 although it would most likely be a pain in the *** for a while...GREAT write up by the way runn!

BlackHawk T/A

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Since I couldn't get an answer in another thread:

How much SCR/DCR can you safely run on E85?

black_z

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FYI E85 was 1.73 today at the local kwik trip. Thanks for the response Runn, im going to look for a set of 42's over the winter. car is in storage now.

YoMommasTA

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Damm i can't beileve anyone would listen to this guy.PLEASE THINK CAREFULLY before you put E85 into your fbody.CAN YOUR BANK ACCOUNT HANDLE THE FUBAR!

LS2Camaro

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He has been running it for 2 years. Next time at least come with some proof before making a speculation.

YoMommasTA

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good luck!

BlackHawk T/A

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With what?

Got any facts to back yourself up?

Boodyrider

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Look at his posts, can you say "ignore this user"

Runn

Some interesting links

http://www.flextek.com/faq.htm

http://www.fullflexint.com/pages/FAQS.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E85#Air...tio_comparison

http://mich.gov/documents/CIS_EO_Con...E-_87915_7.pdf

http://www.epa.gov/otaq/presentation...-isaf-no55.pdf

http://www.epa.gov/otaq/presentation...mjb-051303.pdf

http://skeptically.org/oil/id12.html


1. problem with E75

2. Watercontamination.

1. Yes this is a problem. They are not yet using E75 in Sweden but they are talking about it. But it looks like this is the system thats going to be used.
But since i dont use my car in the winter it´s not a problem for me but i understand that it might be different in USA.
But the Lambda adjustment doesn´t have any problems with compensating for the small different between E85 and E75. You already have pumps with E10 (and there are talking about E20 correct?) and pumps without and the cars are adjusting for the difference without trouble.
We have a HUGE carpark with cars that have been convertaed be the owners themself and we are trying to convince the goverment not to use E75 or atleast give us the option to decide for usself which fuel to use.



2. Yes, Water contamination is a problem, I agree.

It would be really interesting to see a test done on an open and closed fueltank, How long time it takes for the E85 to suck up water from the air to the point to it is dangerous to use. It might come in the future, But up til then keep your fueltanks closed I only damage i have seen from E85 yes is a rubber hose that couldn´t take it on my -82 Datsun Yes it is possible to run it on E85, Hell i even run my lawnmower on E85. I just wish i had a Turbocar to experiment on. Since E85 is perfect for boost, I have many friends here in Sweden with forced induction that use E85... Thanks to the cooling effects and higher octane you can use alot more boost.
Just look at the Saab 9-5 Turbo with Biopower engine (big seller here in Sweden) that when it is fueled with E85 gives 20% more hp and 16% more torque compared with regular gas.


Water contaminated fuel from the pump isn´t much you and i can do anything about but hoping the gascompanies have there **** together


Is E85 more toxic or dangerous than gasoline?
No. 100% ethanol (not 100% E85) can be and is ingested by human beings. The fuel ethanol must be "denatured" with gasoline or a bitter agent to prevent ingestion. Also, ethanol does not contain the harmful carcinogens and toxins found in gasoline.

Statement below is taken from the flextek page.
If I have a gasoline vehicle and convert it to alcohol, am I going to damage the engine?
No. There are currently over 50,000 vehicles on the road using the FlexTek to burn alcohol fuels. There have been no reports of engine damage due to the conversion. In fact, burning alcohol instead of gasoline has been shown to decrease engine oil contamination and extend engine life. Alcohol burns cooler than gasoline providing additional benefits in terms of engine life and performance.

LS2Camaro

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You must be in the oil industry.

GuitsBoy

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I would totally rock the ethanol, but theres nobody that sells the stuff in NY. Youd think the number two smog **** state in the union would jump all over it...

mrr23

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http://www.ls1.com/forums/showthread...&highlight=E85

look familiar?? got a couple of people giving the other side of the story.

Runn

Perfect...

Here is a tip that goes for almost anything in life. Always listen to both sides then make up your own mind based on the information you have. I have no gain trying to convince people to use E85. But the oil industri have alot of money to lose if people find E85 useable, just read this link http://www.e85fuel.com/news/101206_api_release.htm

"it’s clear that Big Petroleum see renewable fuels as competitors and that is unfortunate for their shareholders, the environment, and ultimately the American people"



BTW here is a link to an international part of the Swedish E85 forum http://etanol.nu/forum/viewforum.php?f=42 you can post questions there if you like. If it is against the rules to link to other forums, PM me and i´l remove it.

You just have to read this http://www.turbomustangs.com/techarticles/e85dyno.php 1066rwhp Mustang on E85

BlackHawk T/A

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Great, i'll read that in the morning.

Runn

I stumbled over this while searching for something else.

Materials that have performed well in E85 systems include, but may not be limited to, those listed below. U.S. Department of Energy

Metals:
Unplated steel
Stainless steel
Black iron
Bronze
Non-Metallic Materials:
Teflon
Nitrile
Viton
Polypropylene
Buna-N
Neoprene rubber
Non-metallic thermoset plastics
Thermoset reinforced fiberglass tanks
Thermo plastic piping



DURABILITY OF VARIOUS PLASTICS: ALCOHOLS VS. GASOLINE (Mother’s Alcohol Fuel Seminar)

-----------------------------Ethanol----------Methanol------------Gasoline
Conventional Polyethylene-good------------excellent-------------poor
High-density Polyethylene-excellent---------excellent-------------good
Teflon---------------------excellent----------excellent--------------excellent
Tefzel----------------------excellent--------excellent-------------excellent
Polypropylene--------------good------------excellent-------------fair
Polymethylpentene---------good------------excellent-------------fair
Polycarbonate--------------good------------fair-------------------fair
Polyvinyl Chloride-----------good------------fair-------------------poor

Excellent: Will tolerate years of exposure.
Fair: Some signs of deterioration after one week of exposure.
Good: No damage after 30 days of exposure, should tolerate several years of exposure.
Poor: Deteriorates readily.
NOTE: All tests were made with liquids at 122 deg F.
Compare Gasoline to Ethanol and make your own decision.

Runn

BTW a converted Firebird http://www.bio-etanol.se/ it´s all in Swedish but press "konvertering" and you´l see a pic of it. All they have done to convert it to E85 is increase the fuelpreassure everything else is stock. And it´s an old -92.

Justin00SS

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Ok so if my state (Hawaii) decided to switch over to E85 say.......tomorrow then I wouldn't have any problems with anything if I went and filled up?

My car is completely stock aside from some bolt-ons. I the thread but some things confused me.